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	<title>Comments on: SB Budget Update April 16, 2008</title>
	<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/04/16/sb-budget-update-april-16-2008/</link>
	<description>Life in South Berwick, Maine</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/04/16/sb-budget-update-april-16-2008/#comment-813</link>
		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>".... Council members have obliged, putting off road projects, new police and staff hires and new public works equipment. Cuts have been made virtually everywhere, except to current staff and employee salary/benefit packages."

Unreal. Unreal. While the rest of the town tightens its belt, the staff and employees aren't going to get hurt a bit. And in many cases, we're not even talking belt tightening.....we're talking one next door neighbor really hurting to provide a town employee living next door with a raise and a full package of benefits. 

Unreal. People should be down demonstrating in front of town hall. You know, at some point, government and its employees should recognize that they are our employees &#62;&#62;&#62; we are not theirs, nor do we have any obligation to shelter them from any and all reprecussions of a declining economy. 

What is going on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;. Council members have obliged, putting off road projects, new police and staff hires and new public works equipment. Cuts have been made virtually everywhere, except to current staff and employee salary/benefit packages.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unreal. Unreal. While the rest of the town tightens its belt, the staff and employees aren&#8217;t going to get hurt a bit. And in many cases, we&#8217;re not even talking belt tightening&#8230;..we&#8217;re talking one next door neighbor really hurting to provide a town employee living next door with a raise and a full package of benefits. </p>
<p>Unreal. People should be down demonstrating in front of town hall. You know, at some point, government and its employees should recognize that they are our employees &gt;&gt;&gt; we are not theirs, nor do we have any obligation to shelter them from any and all reprecussions of a declining economy. </p>
<p>What is going on?</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
		<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/04/16/sb-budget-update-april-16-2008/#comment-797</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nature's Way sells newspapers and SoBo at least always used to.  

But I love the Me &#38; Ollie's-type cafe idea for across from the post office, and maybe they could sell newspapers too!  

By the way, if I am thinking of the same house you all are, here is some history trivia: It seems to have been owned in the 1800s by our then-Congressman, John N. Goodwin.  During the Civil War, Lincoln appointed him the first territorial governor of Arizona.  His house is preserved in Prescott, AZ today, and when you walk in, he is introduced as "a native of South Berwick, Maine."  There is even a Goodwin Street.  The cabin and museum are a big attraction and contribute to the vitality of downtown Prescott.  Wouldn't it be cool if a cafe in his South Berwick house contributed to revitalization here as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nature&#8217;s Way sells newspapers and SoBo at least always used to.  </p>
<p>But I love the Me &amp; Ollie&#8217;s-type cafe idea for across from the post office, and maybe they could sell newspapers too!  </p>
<p>By the way, if I am thinking of the same house you all are, here is some history trivia: It seems to have been owned in the 1800s by our then-Congressman, John N. Goodwin.  During the Civil War, Lincoln appointed him the first territorial governor of Arizona.  His house is preserved in Prescott, AZ today, and when you walk in, he is introduced as &#8220;a native of South Berwick, Maine.&#8221;  There is even a Goodwin Street.  The cabin and museum are a big attraction and contribute to the vitality of downtown Prescott.  Wouldn&#8217;t it be cool if a cafe in his South Berwick house contributed to revitalization here as well?</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/04/16/sb-budget-update-april-16-2008/#comment-796</link>
		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://the236diner.com/2008/04/16/sb-budget-update-april-16-2008/#comment-796</guid>
		<description>well, if you really wanted to give this town something, that would be it. right now its a "drop your kid, pick up your mail or chinese food/pizza, jump back in the car" drive thru town. You know, there isn't even a place to buy a paper on main street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, if you really wanted to give this town something, that would be it. right now its a &#8220;drop your kid, pick up your mail or chinese food/pizza, jump back in the car&#8221; drive thru town. You know, there isn&#8217;t even a place to buy a paper on main street.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/04/16/sb-budget-update-april-16-2008/#comment-795</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://the236diner.com/2008/04/16/sb-budget-update-april-16-2008/#comment-795</guid>
		<description>KC, We had exactly what you describe at the corner of Paul and Main St's. where the Yoga studio is and we also had Flynn's News where the Chinese resturant is. There were always teens hanging around up town but when I came back from four years in the military they seemed to have disapeared and I really don't know why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KC, We had exactly what you describe at the corner of Paul and Main St&#8217;s. where the Yoga studio is and we also had Flynn&#8217;s News where the Chinese resturant is. There were always teens hanging around up town but when I came back from four years in the military they seemed to have disapeared and I really don&#8217;t know why.</p>
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		<title>By: Molly</title>
		<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/04/16/sb-budget-update-april-16-2008/#comment-794</link>
		<dc:creator>Molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://the236diner.com/2008/04/16/sb-budget-update-april-16-2008/#comment-794</guid>
		<description>KC-I have been fantasizing about the same thing with that building.  Except in my vision the little front yard is made into a courtyard so in the warm weather people can sit out at tables.  Recently on a trip to a small town in Vermont I went to a coffee shop that was in a house very much like that.  They had left it basically intact except for taking out some non weight bearing walls.  It was great.  I went on a Friday night after going out to dinner and they had a jazz band, the place was packed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KC-I have been fantasizing about the same thing with that building.  Except in my vision the little front yard is made into a courtyard so in the warm weather people can sit out at tables.  Recently on a trip to a small town in Vermont I went to a coffee shop that was in a house very much like that.  They had left it basically intact except for taking out some non weight bearing walls.  It was great.  I went on a Friday night after going out to dinner and they had a jazz band, the place was packed.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/04/16/sb-budget-update-april-16-2008/#comment-793</link>
		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://the236diner.com/2008/04/16/sb-budget-update-april-16-2008/#comment-793</guid>
		<description>actually quite a few. we have a high school in town. we have the elementary school there too. in the mornings and afternoons, scores of parents come to drop off and pick up their children. high schoolers are a heartbeat away. And yet there is really nowhere for anyone to hang out. We got a main street with no heartbeat, no collective meeting place....

there is that property for sale across from the post office. It has parking in the back and is commercially zoned. Redo the first floor -- break thru walls to create large open space. Reface the front with large glass windows. It would be a perfect coffee cafe.  If I were on the town development committee, I would approach coffee cafe operators -- and I don't mean Starbucks. I mean the guys in portsmouth, ollies, and carpe diem, and there are several others of that size. We could offer tax breaks to them for the first couple of years. Possibly a grant on the renovation (that way we have some hand in the design and signage). 

It would be a win, win, win. Town gets a tax revenue. Teens get jobs. Parents get a place for a nice cup of coffee in the morning or pre-afternoon pick up. the other merchants benefit from increased foot traffic. South Berwick gets a heartbeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually quite a few. we have a high school in town. we have the elementary school there too. in the mornings and afternoons, scores of parents come to drop off and pick up their children. high schoolers are a heartbeat away. And yet there is really nowhere for anyone to hang out. We got a main street with no heartbeat, no collective meeting place&#8230;.</p>
<p>there is that property for sale across from the post office. It has parking in the back and is commercially zoned. Redo the first floor &#8212; break thru walls to create large open space. Reface the front with large glass windows. It would be a perfect coffee cafe.  If I were on the town development committee, I would approach coffee cafe operators &#8212; and I don&#8217;t mean Starbucks. I mean the guys in portsmouth, ollies, and carpe diem, and there are several others of that size. We could offer tax breaks to them for the first couple of years. Possibly a grant on the renovation (that way we have some hand in the design and signage). </p>
<p>It would be a win, win, win. Town gets a tax revenue. Teens get jobs. Parents get a place for a nice cup of coffee in the morning or pre-afternoon pick up. the other merchants benefit from increased foot traffic. South Berwick gets a heartbeat.</p>
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		<title>By: JaneCF</title>
		<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/04/16/sb-budget-update-april-16-2008/#comment-792</link>
		<dc:creator>JaneCF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://the236diner.com/2008/04/16/sb-budget-update-april-16-2008/#comment-792</guid>
		<description>KC and everyone - In light of the situation we're in, it would seem that any businesses we try to attract to town should be locally sustainable - any ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KC and everyone - In light of the situation we&#8217;re in, it would seem that any businesses we try to attract to town should be locally sustainable - any ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/04/16/sb-budget-update-april-16-2008/#comment-791</link>
		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 02:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://the236diner.com/2008/04/16/sb-budget-update-april-16-2008/#comment-791</guid>
		<description>Tim -- Raises, upgrades to the town hall phone system, 100% medical coverage etc., are all OPTIONAL spending. They can be delayed or skipped, or as in the case of the medical, brought into line with plans that virtually everyone who doesn't work for a municipality has.  Point is, we should prioritize the critical spending, and decline all optional. Keep taxes the same and protect the tax base as much as we can over the course of the next year. 

Finally, there's one thing about these raises and how they are being defended which is truly not business-like or logical. Let's look at the clerk's job as an example. Its a function which getting completed is worth say 27K.  Now the people doing this job maybe truly lovely and he/she may do the job quite well. But bottomline, the market worth of the job and the value of getting it done is worth somewhere around 27K. And there are plenty of people around now willing to do the job for 27K.  But....we have to hand out raises. 

What everyone trying to defend these raises seems to be saying is that these people doing these jobs should get more because people elsewhere doing a similar job get paid more. They think -- the numbers that everyone is throwing around saying we need to be comparable to were supplied by an organization dedicated to serving the interests of municipal employees. No one, it seems, has done any independent research. Nor does anyone seem to be focusing on what it is worth to the Town to get this job done. 

Whatever. All of this is like saying... milk is selling for three bucks in my town, and that's about where it should be, at least for me... I like milk, I'm not insane about it but I like it alot...three bucks is about what its worth to me.....but, everyone is saying its five bucksin towns about fifty miles away, so i'm going to give the local store five bucks for the milk, cause they are lovely people. 

This is illogical. Its also going to be something we regret deeply this time next year. As far as the "doom and gloom" goes, listen, we've got a media that is not going to report what's really happening with the economy because that causes ratings to go down (no joke....CNBC lost over half its viewers in the last bear market). If you want to know what's happening, truly, in our economy, you can go read the Brit papers online. They aren't as concerned about sparing their readers' feelings. In fact, they take the rather novel approach of addressing their readers as adults with reading ability above the sixth grade level, and of average intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim &#8212; Raises, upgrades to the town hall phone system, 100% medical coverage etc., are all OPTIONAL spending. They can be delayed or skipped, or as in the case of the medical, brought into line with plans that virtually everyone who doesn&#8217;t work for a municipality has.  Point is, we should prioritize the critical spending, and decline all optional. Keep taxes the same and protect the tax base as much as we can over the course of the next year. </p>
<p>Finally, there&#8217;s one thing about these raises and how they are being defended which is truly not business-like or logical. Let&#8217;s look at the clerk&#8217;s job as an example. Its a function which getting completed is worth say 27K.  Now the people doing this job maybe truly lovely and he/she may do the job quite well. But bottomline, the market worth of the job and the value of getting it done is worth somewhere around 27K. And there are plenty of people around now willing to do the job for 27K.  But&#8230;.we have to hand out raises. </p>
<p>What everyone trying to defend these raises seems to be saying is that these people doing these jobs should get more because people elsewhere doing a similar job get paid more. They think &#8212; the numbers that everyone is throwing around saying we need to be comparable to were supplied by an organization dedicated to serving the interests of municipal employees. No one, it seems, has done any independent research. Nor does anyone seem to be focusing on what it is worth to the Town to get this job done. </p>
<p>Whatever. All of this is like saying&#8230; milk is selling for three bucks in my town, and that&#8217;s about where it should be, at least for me&#8230; I like milk, I&#8217;m not insane about it but I like it alot&#8230;three bucks is about what its worth to me&#8230;..but, everyone is saying its five bucksin towns about fifty miles away, so i&#8217;m going to give the local store five bucks for the milk, cause they are lovely people. </p>
<p>This is illogical. Its also going to be something we regret deeply this time next year. As far as the &#8220;doom and gloom&#8221; goes, listen, we&#8217;ve got a media that is not going to report what&#8217;s really happening with the economy because that causes ratings to go down (no joke&#8230;.CNBC lost over half its viewers in the last bear market). If you want to know what&#8217;s happening, truly, in our economy, you can go read the Brit papers online. They aren&#8217;t as concerned about sparing their readers&#8217; feelings. In fact, they take the rather novel approach of addressing their readers as adults with reading ability above the sixth grade level, and of average intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: sharon</title>
		<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/04/16/sb-budget-update-april-16-2008/#comment-789</link>
		<dc:creator>sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tim, I can't believe it: I agree  with 100% of what you posted! Great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tim, I can&#8217;t believe it: I agree  with 100% of what you posted! Great!</p>
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		<title>By: mrspeel</title>
		<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/04/16/sb-budget-update-april-16-2008/#comment-788</link>
		<dc:creator>mrspeel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Taxes are the the price we pay for a civilized society."
-Oliver Wendell Holmes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Taxes are the the price we pay for a civilized society.&#8221;<br />
-Oliver Wendell Holmes</p>
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