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	<title>Comments on: Guest Editorial:  Gretchen Straub on Businesses &#038; Property Taxes</title>
	<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/07/26/guest-editorial-gretchen-straub-on-businesses-property-taxes/</link>
	<description>Life in South Berwick, Maine</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
		<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/07/26/guest-editorial-gretchen-straub-on-businesses-property-taxes/#comment-2382</link>
		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I enjoyed this thread.  It caused me to go and read the zoning regulations for South Berwick, for Freeport and for a random town in Vermont.  And I'm not even a lawyer.   I learned B1 and B2 are not designations of land use.  Rather they are zones bounded by a particular geography.  There's not a lot in the rule book about things you can't do unless you're very noisy, emit grey smoke, put up a billboard, encroach on salmon habitat, turn a bulding consturcted after February 25, 1999 into multifamily dwellings, or forget to make room for bicycles.  

Thanks for giving me a window on a community of people working hard to balance the things that matter most: a healthy town government that provides needed services and a tax base that is made up of neighbors you'd be happy to rub shoulders with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I enjoyed this thread.  It caused me to go and read the zoning regulations for South Berwick, for Freeport and for a random town in Vermont.  And I&#8217;m not even a lawyer.   I learned B1 and B2 are not designations of land use.  Rather they are zones bounded by a particular geography.  There&#8217;s not a lot in the rule book about things you can&#8217;t do unless you&#8217;re very noisy, emit grey smoke, put up a billboard, encroach on salmon habitat, turn a bulding consturcted after February 25, 1999 into multifamily dwellings, or forget to make room for bicycles.  </p>
<p>Thanks for giving me a window on a community of people working hard to balance the things that matter most: a healthy town government that provides needed services and a tax base that is made up of neighbors you&#8217;d be happy to rub shoulders with.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane C-F</title>
		<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/07/26/guest-editorial-gretchen-straub-on-businesses-property-taxes/#comment-2294</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane C-F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://the236diner.com/2008/07/26/guest-editorial-gretchen-straub-on-businesses-property-taxes/#comment-2294</guid>
		<description>South Berwick could be a destination...charm, beauty and history are marketable assets and form an authentic and increasingly rare basis to build on - to build the type of industry people would like in their backyards.  We live at the gateway to vacationland, what would get people to pull over here and spend?  

Molly mentioned greenhouses, they would be great - year round local food is about as basic as it gets - it can be sustainable and provide jobs.  Following Gretchen's thread of "if I were loaded",and Linda's dream -  I'd add an indoor botanic garden to go along.  Wouldn't have to be huge, but it could have a theme (something families HAD to take their kids to...and buy the t-shirt, and purchase a membership to, and rent for their next birthday party...more jobs), and a restaurant (the 236 Diner?), and programs and it would be a place people would come to because our winters are so long and not everyone can afford to go to Florida to see green things growing during those long months, but they could come to South Berwick, have dinner, buy fresh produce.  Greenhouses cost more to cool than to heat, and there are green ways to heat...if we were innovative enough in the overall plan, there might even be some kind of funding available, being on the crest of the green wave and all...(Do I hear derisive snorting??  Why yes, I believe I do...that's okay.  It's just a dream.)   

Aside from the start up costs - would people object to such an enterprise in our backyards?   Any solution to sustaining the town and ourselves will take lots of creativity -  this town has a very deep well of creativity.

Thanks again, Molly - for giving us this way to share thoughts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>South Berwick could be a destination&#8230;charm, beauty and history are marketable assets and form an authentic and increasingly rare basis to build on - to build the type of industry people would like in their backyards.  We live at the gateway to vacationland, what would get people to pull over here and spend?  </p>
<p>Molly mentioned greenhouses, they would be great - year round local food is about as basic as it gets - it can be sustainable and provide jobs.  Following Gretchen&#8217;s thread of &#8220;if I were loaded&#8221;,and Linda&#8217;s dream -  I&#8217;d add an indoor botanic garden to go along.  Wouldn&#8217;t have to be huge, but it could have a theme (something families HAD to take their kids to&#8230;and buy the t-shirt, and purchase a membership to, and rent for their next birthday party&#8230;more jobs), and a restaurant (the 236 Diner?), and programs and it would be a place people would come to because our winters are so long and not everyone can afford to go to Florida to see green things growing during those long months, but they could come to South Berwick, have dinner, buy fresh produce.  Greenhouses cost more to cool than to heat, and there are green ways to heat&#8230;if we were innovative enough in the overall plan, there might even be some kind of funding available, being on the crest of the green wave and all&#8230;(Do I hear derisive snorting??  Why yes, I believe I do&#8230;that&#8217;s okay.  It&#8217;s just a dream.)   </p>
<p>Aside from the start up costs - would people object to such an enterprise in our backyards?   Any solution to sustaining the town and ourselves will take lots of creativity -  this town has a very deep well of creativity.</p>
<p>Thanks again, Molly - for giving us this way to share thoughts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/07/26/guest-editorial-gretchen-straub-on-businesses-property-taxes/#comment-2293</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://the236diner.com/2008/07/26/guest-editorial-gretchen-straub-on-businesses-property-taxes/#comment-2293</guid>
		<description>Pretty gunky stuff, those last few posts. For the most part though, I think this has been a very useful discussion.

Myself, I couldn't agree with you more, Wendy. If we want to open up downtown property to development, B1 is certainly not the way to go.

It's the heart of the town, so it deserves a lot more consideration. There are a lot of good ideas showing up here - now we just need to make sure they get passed on to the right people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty gunky stuff, those last few posts. For the most part though, I think this has been a very useful discussion.</p>
<p>Myself, I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more, Wendy. If we want to open up downtown property to development, B1 is certainly not the way to go.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the heart of the town, so it deserves a lot more consideration. There are a lot of good ideas showing up here - now we just need to make sure they get passed on to the right people.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/07/26/guest-editorial-gretchen-straub-on-businesses-property-taxes/#comment-2291</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WELL MANAGED AND LUCRATIVE!!!! sory spell check broke</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WELL MANAGED AND LUCRATIVE!!!! sory spell check broke</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/07/26/guest-editorial-gretchen-straub-on-businesses-property-taxes/#comment-2290</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://the236diner.com/2008/07/26/guest-editorial-gretchen-straub-on-businesses-property-taxes/#comment-2290</guid>
		<description>wow bozo I mean Jack, I went back several blogs, You think the shoeshop, hardware store ect did not make it in town? with all the change in time those were all very very manwell aged and very lucrative. Do you remember when P gagnon sold coal,Jerry Beaudette repaired shoes made at the shoe shop, thay sawed wood at the mills, the first water wheel was built at greatworks,the mill at counting house park made wool, the settlers were killed by the Indians. well I do not remember all of it but I DO NOT THINK THE COUNCIL HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CHANGE CAUSED BY TIME . Bring it back to earth PEOPLE!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow bozo I mean Jack, I went back several blogs, You think the shoeshop, hardware store ect did not make it in town? with all the change in time those were all very very manwell aged and very lucrative. Do you remember when P gagnon sold coal,Jerry Beaudette repaired shoes made at the shoe shop, thay sawed wood at the mills, the first water wheel was built at greatworks,the mill at counting house park made wool, the settlers were killed by the Indians. well I do not remember all of it but I DO NOT THINK THE COUNCIL HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CHANGE CAUSED BY TIME . Bring it back to earth PEOPLE!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/07/26/guest-editorial-gretchen-straub-on-businesses-property-taxes/#comment-2289</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://the236diner.com/2008/07/26/guest-editorial-gretchen-straub-on-businesses-property-taxes/#comment-2289</guid>
		<description>Form based, performance based! like the two doctor's parks, cummings mill ,community center.fire house , new rentals on norton , run the drug dealers out of town on norton street, side walks , pavement, lower main street rebuild, several parks built by Yep The past town manager Brown . you People belive your on to  new directions. OK . Take a look at the photos in the council chambers. the cows are gone and the vehicles have motors. Now thats form based performance! you are not on to anything new its just a few new players thinking its new! New poles new power performance. If you want anything to work lets work on real change not this reworded coverup!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Form based, performance based! like the two doctor&#8217;s parks, cummings mill ,community center.fire house , new rentals on norton , run the drug dealers out of town on norton street, side walks , pavement, lower main street rebuild, several parks built by Yep The past town manager Brown . you People belive your on to  new directions. OK . Take a look at the photos in the council chambers. the cows are gone and the vehicles have motors. Now thats form based performance! you are not on to anything new its just a few new players thinking its new! New poles new power performance. If you want anything to work lets work on real change not this reworded coverup!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/07/26/guest-editorial-gretchen-straub-on-businesses-property-taxes/#comment-2288</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://the236diner.com/2008/07/26/guest-editorial-gretchen-straub-on-businesses-property-taxes/#comment-2288</guid>
		<description>so much bls &#38;(*&#38;* and so uninformed!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so much bls &amp;(*&amp;* and so uninformed!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
		<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/07/26/guest-editorial-gretchen-straub-on-businesses-property-taxes/#comment-2286</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://the236diner.com/2008/07/26/guest-editorial-gretchen-straub-on-businesses-property-taxes/#comment-2286</guid>
		<description>Jack is on to something crucial when he suggests we address the question of PERFORMANCE STANDARDS for zoning.  “Performance standards” refers to any kind of controls a town uses to shape the kind of development allowed.  One type is “design review,” and South Berwick has been discussing the design review approach for downtown for about 10 years.  Another type is “form based,” another great tool towns have apparently successfully used.  South Berwick already touches on form based zoning with its dimensional requirements, “Table B” of the zoning code, but only in a limited way, and B1 is free from any such requirements.  

B1 zoning means “anything goes.”

As JCH, Linda, Jack and others point out, when Main Street from Dunkin Donuts to Sewall Road was previously zoned for business, residential (R1) zoning was substituted by the town council about 2000 in response to the so-called Rite-Aid scare, when a developer proposed a project that might have badly impacted the heart of the downtown in terms of traffic, demolition of historic buildings, ruining village character, etc.  As Jack mentions, performance standards were actually developed in response to this scare, but unfortunately the town council didn’t implement them; they just replaced business zoning with the R1 zoning.

In other words, when business zoning wasn’t protective enough, the town put in R1 without performance standards.  Now we have the problem that some of property owners say R1 is too restrictive.  In responding to them let’s not make the same mistake all over again.  Implementing a blanket B1, once again omitting performance standards, could open the downtown to changes most residents would hate to see.  

Let’s do it right this time:  propose business zoning WITH PERFORMANCE STANDARDS (design review and/or form-based zoning) simultaneously.  

Why are we even considering B1 zoning now, without passing performance standards at the same time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack is on to something crucial when he suggests we address the question of PERFORMANCE STANDARDS for zoning.  “Performance standards” refers to any kind of controls a town uses to shape the kind of development allowed.  One type is “design review,” and South Berwick has been discussing the design review approach for downtown for about 10 years.  Another type is “form based,” another great tool towns have apparently successfully used.  South Berwick already touches on form based zoning with its dimensional requirements, “Table B” of the zoning code, but only in a limited way, and B1 is free from any such requirements.  </p>
<p>B1 zoning means “anything goes.”</p>
<p>As JCH, Linda, Jack and others point out, when Main Street from Dunkin Donuts to Sewall Road was previously zoned for business, residential (R1) zoning was substituted by the town council about 2000 in response to the so-called Rite-Aid scare, when a developer proposed a project that might have badly impacted the heart of the downtown in terms of traffic, demolition of historic buildings, ruining village character, etc.  As Jack mentions, performance standards were actually developed in response to this scare, but unfortunately the town council didn’t implement them; they just replaced business zoning with the R1 zoning.</p>
<p>In other words, when business zoning wasn’t protective enough, the town put in R1 without performance standards.  Now we have the problem that some of property owners say R1 is too restrictive.  In responding to them let’s not make the same mistake all over again.  Implementing a blanket B1, once again omitting performance standards, could open the downtown to changes most residents would hate to see.  </p>
<p>Let’s do it right this time:  propose business zoning WITH PERFORMANCE STANDARDS (design review and/or form-based zoning) simultaneously.  </p>
<p>Why are we even considering B1 zoning now, without passing performance standards at the same time?</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
		<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/07/26/guest-editorial-gretchen-straub-on-businesses-property-taxes/#comment-2285</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's right, Dave and Bill.  That's what so alarming about the prospect of (apparently) the town now calling for hearings that would just do a blanket B1.  We need those details (i.e. the "performance standards" Jack mentions)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right, Dave and Bill.  That&#8217;s what so alarming about the prospect of (apparently) the town now calling for hearings that would just do a blanket B1.  We need those details (i.e. the &#8220;performance standards&#8221; Jack mentions)</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://the236diner.com/2008/07/26/guest-editorial-gretchen-straub-on-businesses-property-taxes/#comment-2284</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://the236diner.com/2008/07/26/guest-editorial-gretchen-straub-on-businesses-property-taxes/#comment-2284</guid>
		<description>Joshua is right when he says that Contracy Zoning was completely different than what  Form Based Zoning would be. Contract Zoning was to be implemented by the Town Council directly, and would probably have been a political process, not a planning process.  The Planning Board was to have had simply an advisory role, that was not at all binding on the Town Council.

Form Based Zoning would be incorporated in the land use ordinance, to be implemented by the Planning Board much as any project in a zoned district is.  It would,as such,  have the same safeguards including due process and local appeals. The devils are admittedly in the details, but if done correctly, FBZ could accomplish what most people (from most sides) want the Town to accomplish.

Particularly in the area between Dunkin Donuts and Sewell Road, this area begs for a thoughtful and forward thinking zoning approach; and not a blanket application of B1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua is right when he says that Contracy Zoning was completely different than what  Form Based Zoning would be. Contract Zoning was to be implemented by the Town Council directly, and would probably have been a political process, not a planning process.  The Planning Board was to have had simply an advisory role, that was not at all binding on the Town Council.</p>
<p>Form Based Zoning would be incorporated in the land use ordinance, to be implemented by the Planning Board much as any project in a zoned district is.  It would,as such,  have the same safeguards including due process and local appeals. The devils are admittedly in the details, but if done correctly, FBZ could accomplish what most people (from most sides) want the Town to accomplish.</p>
<p>Particularly in the area between Dunkin Donuts and Sewell Road, this area begs for a thoughtful and forward thinking zoning approach; and not a blanket application of B1.</p>
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